tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34953284.post4727642716871086552..comments2023-09-09T09:35:53.171-05:00Comments on The Divine Low Carb: The Truth About Super Obesity and Weight LossPJhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04391277875371518678noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34953284.post-70497929266006616762015-03-31T11:58:01.561-05:002015-03-31T11:58:01.561-05:00I've spent the first 63 years of my life in yo...I've spent the first 63 years of my life in yo-yo dieting, trying the next latest-greatest, learning more (I have a BS in nutrition & have kept current.) As I approached morbidly obese last year, I drew the line in the sand. I'd changed to plant-based, but what was "the ticket?" After earning a certification in Food over Medicine from the Wellness Forum, I was floored! I could no longer overlook the consensus shown by meta-analyses of the whole body of research: so I sucked up my disbelief and replaced it with science. I have now been enjoying a (WARNING-graphic word approaching) STARCH-based diet for 7 months. During a VERY stressful period I was able to continue it for the most part, and didn't gain an ounce. I tweaked it and paid more attention once the stress had calmed and now am back to steady loss. The very thing I couldn't have believed could work, is. My Chiro is a super-fit jock....he has been using the same diet and is leaner and stronger than ever before! I don't know if it could make a difference for all those things we angst about, but at least you'll be happy and satisfied eating the foods humans apparently were designed to eat! See what you think of John McDougall's Starch Solution. Check out Dr Pam Popper on Dr Pam's News Channel on YouTube. Look up Chef Del Sroufe on facebook....he WAS Super-Obese. MAYBE this info could be useful. Sending you love and light. E-HealerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34953284.post-10249823471590057282013-08-07T12:47:34.752-05:002013-08-07T12:47:34.752-05:00Has anyone tried changing their gut flora? I would...Has anyone tried changing their gut flora? I would purge the existing crew with this:<br />http://www.ariseandshine.com/cleansing/cleanse-14.html<br /><br />(it includes probiotics and betonite clay)<br /><br />And then I would be *very* scrupulous of what I ate - ie. no sugar, grains, alcohol, very moderate fruits excepts berries, etc. going forward. I'd do lemon-water fast to shrink the stomach and then do 2 meals a day in a 8 hour window of nutrient dense food (and low glycemic) - each meal would have to fit in a take-out oriental restaurant container. <br /><br />(disclaimer, I'm not obese. I was just here to read about RBTI)<br /><br />gardenerGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10461689801881860310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34953284.post-42825232273012154542013-05-25T17:22:44.532-05:002013-05-25T17:22:44.532-05:00Thank you so much for that post. I stumbled on i...Thank you so much for that post. I stumbled on it looking for reasons why. I lost 40 pounds last year on LC. I have to lose another 20 before my surgeon will operate on me and get rid of my colostomy I got a bit over a year ago.<br /><br />I'm stuck at 240. STUCK. I make it a few days LC/Paleo and I break, with a craving for carbs that can best be described as an itch from hell on your back.<br /><br />I too had the hypo episodes again and again during strict LC. I thought it was just me. I also stalled and went from 3-4 pounds a week to none. For months. My doc thought I was yanking his chain when I said I didn't cheat...I keep meticulous records on everything. He should try doing this if he thinks it's so flipping easy. Exercise made me gain. NO carbs, no loss. I couldn't win, so I stopped till deadline time - which is now.<br /><br />So, for now, it's diet time until I see the doc in Aug. so I can get this damn ostomy reversed in Oct. LC, again. And I have no clue what I'm going to do about the cravings. If I eat any fruit/sweet tasting things, my BG levels go waaay up and crash into the 50's. So, strict on the diet till I'm over the surgery mess and after that...Live with my body as it is for a while.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34953284.post-84608988850203010342013-03-07T19:33:32.396-06:002013-03-07T19:33:32.396-06:00Thanks ! :DD i like it <3Thanks ! :DD i like it <3weightlosshttp://weightloss-challenge13.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34953284.post-6025701162768347832012-03-10T23:33:13.298-06:002012-03-10T23:33:13.298-06:00From KMJ
"So thank you for having the courage...From KMJ<br />"So thank you for having the courage to reach your own unpopular conclusions and share them. And on a metaphysical level, I find that great change often comes once we find ourselves truly ok with life remaining in its imperfect state."<br /><br />From Kisha:<br />This pretty much sum's up what I wanted to say. I sat down thinking this would be a short post. Then realized I wasn't getting down the page very fast. Although, I kept reading. The honesty grabbed me and kept me reading. <br /><br />I defiantly think that there is a point that it becomes more difficult. Being one who has a hard time accepting herself the way she is (especially when I fail) I could use a pep talk in knowing that I am doing what I can, what I know, and it's all OK! <br /><br />I know low carb works. I know (for the most part) why it works. But there is so much that isn't studied or even evaluated honestly. Unfortunately this day and age people are stuck in the mainstream think tank and can't remove their arse's out of it, so they can actually think for themselves. <br /><br />Thank you for being a person who chose to think for yourself. God Bless you... And I wish you happiness in what ever you do. <br /><br />Thanks for the post. <br />Sincerely ~ KishaKisha's Headhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10952958245863696460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34953284.post-78969839093552564182012-03-10T15:13:40.000-06:002012-03-10T15:13:40.000-06:00Wow, that was hard to read, but I really needed to...Wow, that was hard to read, but I really needed to hear that. I have been scared to death that I would hit that place again where the weight loss would stop and nothing I did would make it move. Nothing. But you've made me realize that it's going to happen, and I need to change how I deal with it. Reality bites, doesn't it.Gretanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34953284.post-74803251313862816592011-11-19T17:37:58.470-06:002011-11-19T17:37:58.470-06:00(cont)
fyi I'm not 'still dieting' I&...(cont)<br /><br />fyi I'm not 'still dieting' I'm merely eating well. <br /><br />I changed my blog to say so. I don't have a focus on fat loss anymore. What I know is that when I eat well, generally it will come off, then it will go back on, then it will come off. Probably that middle thing is driven by subconscious increase in food intake but I'm not going to try and out-willpower millions of years of evolution, science stats alone make it obvious that is pointless. So, slowing down the loss period (during which I have energy) and slowing down and improving (by experiment) the gain period (during which I have less energy) seems like the answer -- I agree you're right, it's that period that is the obvious point in need of a solution.<br /><br />The thing is, we could theorize about how my body is different than 'normal' bodies so it must be "just me" but this is exactly the trap that every severely obese person gets stuck in: for every freakin one of us it is allegedly "just us." <br /><br />But it's not just us as individuals. It's as an entire group it appears, if 5 years of extensive following other people my size online is an indicator, and if research about weight loss after gastric bypass is an indicator, and if research about biochemical states after weight loss is an indicator. Those things aren't about me.<br /><br />In other words, the 'theory' of what's wrong would need to explain the larger set of evidence, or at least stand a chance at it. <br /><br />I didn't come to any conclusion based solely on my own experience, for the very reason that I am only one person. I came to it following years of reading research and discussion and other SO people sharing. Every piece of data I find points to the same thing, but empirical laymen reports and research. There aren't any exceptions or qualifiers to use for rationalizing why it isn't so, as a result. At this point I would be irrational to take the sheer amount of evidence ALL the same and somehow think it didn't mean anything.<br /><br />I do agree it's possible that dietary intake is not enough to 'deal with' severe obesity. However, I have yet to see a single person of my weight class helped by turning to medicine (although I have seen some people helped by the drug Metformin, that is the one exception); I have seen extensive numbers of them profoundly harmed, by turning to the medical world for help, though (mostly by the idea they need to be gutted to allegedly prevent eating so much). I have a bias. As well as an income limit.<br /><br />It may be there is a truly improbable, even surreal lack of anybody with a success story (5 years is the minimum term or I have a "wait and see" tag on it) online, despite being plenty of them existing, but this seems highly unlikely.<br /><br />PJPJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34953284.post-1245725420427123522011-11-19T17:33:48.059-06:002011-11-19T17:33:48.059-06:00Hi again Woo,
Thanks for the feedback, I apprecia...Hi again Woo,<br /><br />Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate the time you spent on that.<br /><br />You know, here's the thing: I don't think I am exceptional. I think that within the bandwidth of people "my size," I am pretty much just like they are. I do not see anything specifically different when I lurkedly-stalk others my size to see their body reactions.<br /><br />Now, unless tumors account for everybody who is ~200++# over their desirable bodyweight -- and I just have a hard time believing this -- then I should be in some different category of experience.<br /><br />(I've come to suspect, from research refs on everything from hunger to exercise, that a person's highest bodyfat% is the driver of everything, not what they are today. So when I am at 380 my body is behaving the same as when I was 520 except that a) less filled fat cells, which makes some diff, and b) usually at that point I've been seriously LC-ing, so some diffs related to that. But otherwise, there seems to be plenty of evidence that whatever top point you reach, is what the body is ever-striving to use as a guideline.)<br /><br />So for example, I've seen reference to reactive hyperglycemia after a super LC meal in *lots* of people online in the last 5 years -- most having lost a whole lot of weight when that kicks in, some others not. It seems like the popular opinion is that this can't happen on LC and if this happens, it means something is so profoundly wrong (e.g. a tumor) it's startling. <br /><br />But after all these years and quite a few people reporting this, I am unwilling to believe they ALL have tumors. This just seems profoundly unlikely to me, is all. So, I'm unlikely to believe I do simply because I have the same experience a lot of other people do. If my experience were significantly different, it might seem more likely.<br /><br />Also, as another graph I did somewhere showed, I got serious hypoglycemia even when NOT EATING AT ALL. My blood sugar went up and down like mountains all day. After talking with some experts about it though, and given my weight and IR, I found this is actually not unusual -- it drops with no intake, but then adrenalin/cortisol kick it up when it eventually drops too low, which tends to take it too high since I'm IR and put out a lot, which then causes it to fall too low, and so on, in a cycle. <br /><br />So if I have a similar experience with NO food as to food, and if there is a fairly logical explanation for why it's working this way, I just don't see the need to suspect that there is something markedly different about my body compared to other severely obese persons.<br /><br />Of course, I suppose it IS possible that every severely obese person has some disease/tumor making them that way. But it would be difficult to justify that theory, given that people get there slow or fast and we can track their food intake to probably-why. We can't track why they DON'T lose weight and should often, when undertaking calories, but we can usually track why they gain.<br /><br />Running out of room ...PJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34953284.post-44174624408999773962011-11-19T03:25:33.088-06:002011-11-19T03:25:33.088-06:00(pt 2)
Reading your story I wonder if perhaps yo...(pt 2)<br /><br /><br />Reading your story I wonder if perhaps you would benefit from medical interventions to address extreme insulin resistance... <br /><br /><br /><b>Reading further down you rpost, it seems like exessive insulin proeduction is precisely the disorder you have</b>. It is very very abnormal to have hypoglycemia after eating bacon and eggs.<br /><br />It appears that you have a very significant endocrine/metabolic disorder and I feel sorry that you have not found the answer yet. It's a shame that when doctors see a fat person, they think "gluttony, nothing further to investigate" when in reality there is a physiologically real issue at hand - one that might be able to be treated and resolved.<br /><br /><br /><b>THe point I am making is this: Do not give up hope. The solution is not complacence and acceptance, the solution is to look at your situation in a novel way. Diet and supplements are not all there is. YOu need to look to modern medicine for answers.</b><br /><br /><br />You have proven to yourself that standard carb reduction is not enough to resolve your hyperinsulinemia and insulin hypersecretion.<br /><br />You have proven to yourself, that after you lose a certain amount of fat, you start getting signs of low blood sugar which is suggestive of defective fat oxidation and high insulin. Fat oxidation + low insulin will prevent low blood sugar. <br /><br /><br />I would suggest possibly being screened for an <b>insulinoma</b>, as a first course of action. It's happened before, tremendously obese people get bariatric surgery only to discover they have inappropriate hypoglycemia when they are not allowed to eat anylonger. Further tests of insulin and proinsulin and cpeptide and ketones reveals the truth: <b>chronicly elevated insulin, leading to chronically suppressed fat oxidation and blood sugar</b>. You may be one of these people.<br /><br />Or, you may just have garden variety severe insulin resistance. Symptomatically, it's not much different than an insulinoma: severe obesity and an inability to oxidize fat at rest is going to be the result of chronically elevated insulin due to severe insulin resistance.<br /><br />Dieting harder or more is not going to help... if I were in this situation I would be doing all the research I could regarding theraputics for hyperinsulinemia.<br /><br />I don't see the solution as to say "it is the way it is" and to just keep dieting. Modern medicine may be able to help you. Insulinomas are treated via surgery, and there are many medications available which can suppress insulin levels / improve sensitivity to insulin. <br /><br />I think it's good to have realistic expectations, but the solution to an inability to diet successfully should not be to just accept illness (and, hypoglycemia after eating eggs + bacon, in spite of ample body fat, suggests a defect and IS ILLNESS). <br /><br />This, I think, is the problem with paleo thinking: an irrational belief all diseases can be treated "naturally". I personally do not like the paleo theory of things, and I think it is irrational to assume conditions should always have natural solutions. MOdern science and medicine is a fabulous thing, the only problem is when it is used stupidly or greedily. We can save lives and easily cure illnesses today, if only the doctor knows what he is doing. Tubers and rice and nuts and berries are not going to cure an illness, but modern antibiotics will. Medicine is not a bad thing. Sometimes medicine is the only thing that can help us.<br /><br />If diet fails to work, the next logical step should be modern medicine.<br />Look at your condition from a new perspective, there might be solutions out there you have not yet discovered. Look beyond the trivial, small and obvious (diet). There is so so so so so so much more you can do for inappropriately high insulin besides avoid eating carbs.ItsTheWooohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12057537399918684119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34953284.post-43085403845641255502011-11-19T03:10:41.458-06:002011-11-19T03:10:41.458-06:00Assuming your perceptions are correct, it seems th...Assuming your perceptions are correct, it seems then that you should focus on finding a work around for the defect that occurs in this phase:<br /><br /><b>You will return to having none when you are not losing weight, which will screw it up again.</b><br /><br />It appears that this phase - lack of ability to lose more body fat - is the catalyst for cheating (eating carbs) and thus rapid weight regain.<br /><br />Have you ever experimented with an insulin suppressive medication such as somatostatin/octreotide, or metformin? What you describes sounds supsiciously like severe insulin resistance, to the point where your insulin levels are not able to be reduced enough via carb restriction alone. This then results in fatigue and hunger after you lose x amount of weight... because, once you reach x amount of weight loss, your fat cells have shrunk more than your insulin has reduced, therefore you have a deficit of FFAs from fat tissue due to inappropriate high insulin. This inappropriately high insulin leads to an inability to lose more weight, with symptomatic fatigue and hunger, which leads to eating carbs for energy.<br /><br />Some people, who are severely insulin resistant, will not have palliation via low carb diet alone. As a registered nurse I have taken care of bed bound super obese people - these people require tons and tons of basal insulin even if they are eating nothing at all. It seems to me, the problem here is the person is so extremely insulin resistant that their insulin requirements are overwhelming, which keeps them from diabetes but it also keeps them extremely obese as it prevents normal fat oxidation/FFA release during food restriction.<br />There is an imbalance of insulin sensitivity; the fat tissue is inappropriately sensitive relative to liver and skeletal muscle. The person easily develops diabetes when their insulin levels decrease, but if the insulin levels are increased they are extremely obese.<br /><br /><br />I was a morbidly obese person but I have always suspected that my insulin resistance actually isn't that extreme - I have always suspected my primary disorder is insulin hypersecretion, not unlike an insulinoma patient, my metabolism is relatively normal, the problem is that my pancreas is like HI INSULIN HERES A LOT OF IT. This explains why my fasting sugar is always low and I easily develop hypoglycemia, and I have signs of hyperinsulinemia (generalized subcutaneous obesity, PCOS, acanthosis nigricans, hypoglycemia), but no signs of insulin resistance (e.g. abdominal obesity, hyperglycemia). I am positive for all signs of insulin excess but negative for all signs of insulin resistance.<br /><br /><br />This is why I am able to easily lose tons of weight, effortlessly, on low carb... my metabolism works pretty normally, if I do not eat food that asks for insulin release too much. My stomach is extremely flat, I have like no abdominal fat. I have no signs of insulin resistance, but tons of signs of insulin excess (when fat).<br /><br />The problem, as i see it, is that my body does not seem to process glucose normally. I am NOT resistant to insulin, I am glucose intolerant. THis is a slight difference. The difference is that when my cells try to oxidize glucose, something goes wrong, which results in inappropriate high blood sugar and a swift release of insulin. My insulin sensitivity, being otherwise normal, means that my glucose plummets quickly and I am very hungry and gain body fat (due to insulin sensitive fat cells). If I were insulin resistant, I would not have hypoglycemia, I would have more significant hyperglycemia, and I would have evidence of visceral fat accumulation which is consistent with insulin resistance in adipocytes.ItsTheWooohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12057537399918684119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34953284.post-5093647466739229322011-11-17T14:10:06.347-06:002011-11-17T14:10:06.347-06:00Well, the reactive hypoglycemia did not begin unti...Well, the reactive hypoglycemia did not begin until I had lost about 130#. I responded as you'd expect until then.<br /><br />I have tested my blood sugar during a fast from one evening to another, and from the minute I woke up until the time I finally ate something late at night -- I didn't even drink water until evening -- my blood sugar went from ridiculously low to higher in mountain-like V's all over the graph (which I tried to find to link here but can't right now).<br /><br />So it's not that I'm either putting out constantly too much or constantly too little. It's just 'reaction' goes too high, drops too low, then adrenalin/cortisol kicks in when it's too low which sends it up again, not an atypical profile for insulin resistance.<br /><br />We'll have to hope it's not some disease because getting me into a doctor to look for cancer has less chance of happening than fairies arriving in the night to grant me thin thighs. ;-)<br /><br />In retrospect I feel I know what dominantly contributed to massive fast weight gain. I don't know but assume genetics are what 'allowed' it instead of my getting ill, obvious disease, or having a nervous breakdown. I expect every organ is very taxed, body is long term nutrient deprived, and that these issues as well as ongoing decently high calories probably need to be resolved as a primary, no matter what else I do.<br /><br />Mind you, that doesn't change my mind on the details. I still think the chance of me as a woman losing more than 200# +/- 20# is unlikely to the point of unreasonable to expect. (Nothing is impossible. But some expectations are unreasonable.) But I would be pretty damn happy for that much loss, and I got fairly near to that before coming back up (and down, and up, repeatedly).<br /><br />So I accept there's likely a limit and I'll likely go up and down, what I would like to do now is see if I can intentionally control that process, to make the going-down cycle longer (to extend the energy and potentially the amount the body's willing to lose), to make the going-up cycle longer (accepting it's going to happen, so not freaking out when it begins and ending up offplan entirely because I'm so demoralized), and to make both sides of the cycle much more focused on maximum nutrition.PJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34953284.post-43963356708697477372011-11-17T12:47:40.694-06:002011-11-17T12:47:40.694-06:00One thing that really rang true (and hopeful!) is ...One thing that really rang true (and hopeful!) is your determination to get healthy first; and then let whatever else will fall into line, fall.<br /><br />Because your conclusions seem rock-solid to me; something was wrong somewhere for you to have gotten where you are now... without dying.<br /><br />State of medicine being what it is; you actually have the best shot at figuring it out, because you are not blindered by prejudice, you are not sidetracked by "that can't be" and so have the best take on the problem.<br /><br />My sincere hope there's something wrong that can be fixed, ya know?WereBearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17746779803342657146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34953284.post-38246948814609958962011-11-17T08:10:54.395-06:002011-11-17T08:10:54.395-06:00Re the insulinoma comment, the thing that rings al...Re the insulinoma comment, the thing that rings alarm bells for me is your having hypoglycemic episodes after a vlc/zc meal. Your insulin levels must be WAYYYY too high for that to happen, and if long periods of vlc is not bringing insulin down, there is something very wrong, and one obvious answer is an insulinoma.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34953284.post-63540257645693993452011-11-16T16:28:07.320-06:002011-11-16T16:28:07.320-06:00No, haven't checked for tumors on organs, I ad...No, haven't checked for tumors on organs, I admit. I don't feel like I show signs of being any different than the other super-obese people I have run into. If I seemed markedly diff in some way I might think there was something specifically up with me (I mean more than whatever the obvious is that lets a person ever get that huge to begin with).<br /><br />There is a thread about this post on the ACL forum with some interesting comments. <a href="http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=435447" rel="nofollow">http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=435447</a><br /><br />Strangely, this post must have been hitting bottom because I feel oddly cheered up. I guess maybe like you don't have anything to fear anymore when you accept that it might just suck and then go forth to make the best of it, whatever is possible, instead of constantly feeling angst about it.<br /><br />I have to walk to the store. Isn't Autumn lovely? Although it's getting pretty freaking cold now...<br /><br />PJPJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34953284.post-73659481577623606412011-11-16T03:52:09.955-06:002011-11-16T03:52:09.955-06:00PJ, this is an awesome post, and I love you for wr...PJ, this is an awesome post, and I love you for writing it.<br /><br />While reading through it, I started thinking that you show all the signs of having an insulinoma. Have you been checked for this? Just a thought.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34953284.post-9170479810738335162011-11-16T00:41:56.491-06:002011-11-16T00:41:56.491-06:00That is a lot of stuff to deal with at once and no...That is a lot of stuff to deal with at once and not remotely enough money my gosh!<br /><br />Weirdly, I actually feel BETTER after posting this. I mean actually more inspired than I was. Maybe you have to hit the bottom first, or maybe it's just that I finally feel like I'm in the camp of "realism" and I find that easier to deal with than "the unknown mystery in a blackbox body."<br /><br />It's still unknown, but working on getting max nutrition per day (as long as weight doesn't rise) vs. being lucky to make minimums, is a different approach. It might not work, for time/energy/money reasons. But it's something different than I've done before, so it seems like, anything different is good.<br /><br />I had some content I removed from this post which talked about a period where I had eaten horribly and gained tons of weight. <br /><br />When that happened, I had chronic lung infections (gluten) that nearly killed me, I had serious sleep apnea issues, the combination meant I was profoundly low on O2, I was working insane hours, single mom to a small kid, and I see in retrospect that a lot of my fast food megacrappy eating was just flat out trying to get enough energy to survive. I actually forgive myself a little more now. You know, we live, we learn. <br /><br />You have a lot of stuff that has probably contributed to the last upcycle. But that's one more cycle of learning that can make the next one hopefully go a little better!<br /><br />PJPJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34953284.post-42321573541666881602011-11-15T22:47:40.216-06:002011-11-15T22:47:40.216-06:00You know you're awesome, right? I'm just ...You know you're awesome, right? I'm just in the death fat camp (morbid) but I think your article explains where I'm at now and why I seem to be unable to stick to paleo. (having said that, I'm poor and feeding, clothing, and housing 3 people on less than $1000 a month, net) <br /><br />I have a chronic pain issue unrelated to weight that no one's able to explain, I'm currently in therapy for anxiety and panic attacks, we're trying for another baby (time, people, time), sleep, who needs it yadda yadda yadda. I don't even know why I wrote all of that - venting, I guess, for which I apologize.<br /><br />I'd also like to say that for some of, there was never any rapid weight loss to begin with. Frex, the first 4 months I went lc Atkins, unfortunately) I lost...nothing. Not a single pound. The more I exercised, the longer I would stall. Stop exercising and there might be some shifting. All in all it took 4 1/2 years to loose 50lbs - which I've since regained after deliberately going off plan. Moved countries, started in on my nemesis, wheat, and, well, let's just say that now I'm the fattest I've ever been.<br /><br />But I like your cycles as posted here. It makes sense and, hopefully, will lead me to being less depressed about myself, or beating myself up about something I have no control over.Orodemniadeshttp://dazzleships.net/birchandmaplenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34953284.post-72554664493055439012011-11-15T17:55:31.146-06:002011-11-15T17:55:31.146-06:00K! I've missed you.
Yeah - psychology doesn&#...K! I've missed you.<br /><br />Yeah - psychology doesn't change, no matter what the eating plan. I don't think any of the food camps can compete with the vegans for terror tactics, but then, maybe that's because subconsciously their body knows: if I kill him, I could eat him. No body to hide! ;-) But they've all got a big dose of the same thing.<br /><br />Completely revamping my concepts to instead eat "as much as" possible in carbs-calories "without gaining weight" (and preferably while losing slowly), is going to be a major pain in the butt. <br /><br />I've just finished changing my blog display. I'm taking weight loss references off it. People should eat to be healthy for them anyway, first and foremost.<br /><br />I was doing a few weeks on a halfway version (because I don't have grass-fed meats which is central to it) of Ray Peat's suggestions, and it was like, "OMG I ate a potato fried in coconut oil. Earlier I had a glass of fresh orange juice. I'm drinking whole milk. OMG! I'm going to DIE!" <br /><br />I realized how much 5 years of low-carb / whole-foods has affected me, that something like "I need to eat a potato now" nearly made me feel like I was being coerced into some kind of criminal activity. ;-)<br /><br />I have a hard time eating period, never mind eating minimal calories, so how I'm going to swing maximal calories is beyond me... I'm still working on that. First the plan, then the details. I suppose I need to buy stock in tropicaltraditions.com where I get my coconut oil.<br /><br />Don't be a stranger. Oh wait. I owe YOU an email. Ahem, ok, never mind.<br /><br />PJPJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34953284.post-63552107623855935702011-11-15T16:03:13.097-06:002011-11-15T16:03:13.097-06:00On the other end of the spectrum, I have seen many...On the other end of the spectrum, I have seen many raw foodists go through this same thing of feeling great for months or even years, and then getting incredibly ill. They're then told that they're doing it "Wrong" somehow, even though they'd been poster children for the movement before, and it initiates a frantic and fruitless (no pun intended) attempt to alter the plan in whatever way will restore their former glory. The level of vitriol directed at "defectors" is unbelievable. "No, this is The Right Way to eat for EVERYONE and therefore you are a liar, a fraud, or a secret agent of the Dairy Council!" <br /><br />I don't see how there can ever be a right way for everyone, because life damages our bodies in endlessly variable ways through toxins, pathogens, overuse, etc. And although our issues aren't the same, I have experienced a lot of those stages you mentioned on this lonely path to figuring out how to be healthy ... including the acceptance that I might never be healthy again.<br /><br />So thank you for having the courage to reach your own unpopular conclusions and share them. And on a metaphysical level, I find that great change often comes once we find ourselves truly ok with life remaining in its imperfect state.KMGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01336744315633172157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34953284.post-10709995071963737332011-11-15T14:27:47.126-06:002011-11-15T14:27:47.126-06:00Anon: Thanks for that! Though I assume you realize...Anon: Thanks for that! Though I assume you realize that self-reporting polls are forums are going to be profoundly skewed toward positive responders (even the forum itself is) (and it was not about morbid/super obese; as noted this issue of fat loss never mind maintenance appears to just get worse the heavier one it). Still that is an interesting poll, thanks for the link (I hadn't seen that blog before, I will read some more there).<br /><br />Much: Congratulations you've done a truly awesome job! Sounds like it's gone slowly overall which might be good. If there is anything likely to move it more than anything else, or at least keep it off, maybe both, it is "longterm persistence." By which I mean many years... as you've put in several already.<br /><br />PJPJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34953284.post-51233561230161277112011-11-15T12:51:09.180-06:002011-11-15T12:51:09.180-06:00http://diabetesupdate.blogspot.com/2009/02/type-2-...http://diabetesupdate.blogspot.com/2009/02/type-2-diet-poll-results.html<br /><br />"So most people who maintained maintained a weight loss that was between 9% and 31% of their starting weight.<br /><br />This is probably the most important statistic of all as it gives you a very good idea of what a realistic weight loss is that you can expect to maintain."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34953284.post-46239102650016857602011-11-15T09:07:24.680-06:002011-11-15T09:07:24.680-06:00I am in the process of losing weight on low carb a...I am in the process of losing weight on low carb and reading this has been a bit depressing (I was 437lbs when I started losing 6 1/2 years ago, down to 258 so far) but I think you're right. We need to have more realistic expectations about weight loss.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com